Determining distances

ABSTRACT

This document discloses a solution for determining distances. In the solution, a first frame is transmitted ( 200 ) to a second apparatus; a second frame is received ( 202 ) from the second apparatus, as response to the first frame; an indication of the duration between the reception time of the first frame and transmission of the second frame is received ( 204 ); an indication whether the duration is constant or variable is received ( 206 ); and in case the duration is constant, the distance between the first apparatus and the second apparatus is determined ( 208 ) based at least partly on the indication of the duration.

TECHNICAL FIELD

The invention relates to the field of wireless communications.

BACKGROUND

In wireless communication systems there may be situations for atransceiver when it might be useful to be able to know the location ofanother transceiver or distance to the transceiver. Some applicationswork with nearby devices. For example, a printer device supportingwireless communications might be present for devices which aregeographically close to it. In another example, a device might transmitinformation to devices which are within a given distance from it butignore other devices.

BRIEF DESCRIPTION

According to an aspect of the invention, there is provided an apparatuscomprising at least one processor and at least one memory includingcomputer program code, the at least one memory and the computer programcode configured to, with the at least one processor, cause the apparatusat least to: transmit a first frame to a second apparatus; receive asecond frame from the second apparatus, as response to the first frame;receive an indication of the duration between the reception time of thefirst frame and transmission of the second frame; receive an indicationwhether the duration is constant or variable; and in case the durationis constant, determine the distance between the apparatus and the secondapparatus based at least partly on the indication of the duration.

According to an aspect of the invention, there is provided an apparatuscomprising at least one processor and at least one memory includingcomputer program code, the at least one memory and the computer programcode configured to, with the at least one processor, cause the apparatusat least to: receive a first frame from a first apparatus; receive asecond frame from the second apparatus, as response to the first frame;receive an indication of the duration between the reception time of thefirst frame and transmission of the second frame; receive an indicationwhether the duration is constant or variable; and in case the durationis constant, determine the a parameter related to the distance betweenthe apparatus and first apparatus and the second apparatus based atleast partly on the indication of the duration.

According to another aspect of the invention, there is provided a methodin a first apparatus, comprising: transmitting a first frame to a secondapparatus; receiving a second frame from the second apparatus, asresponse to the first frame; receiving an indication of the durationbetween the reception time of the first frame and transmission of thesecond frame; receiving an indication whether the duration is constantor variable; and in case the duration is constant, determining thedistance between the first apparatus and the second apparatus based atleast partly on the indication of the duration.

According to another aspect of the invention, there is provided a methodin an apparatus, comprising: receiving a first frame from a firstapparatus; receiving a second frame from the second apparatus, asresponse to the first frame; receiving an indication of the durationbetween the reception time of the first frame and transmission of thesecond frame; receiving an indication whether the duration is constantor variable; and in case the duration is constant, determining the aparameter related to the distance between the apparatus and firstapparatus and the second apparatus based at least partly on theindication of the duration.

Some embodiments of the invention are defined in dependent claims.

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS

Embodiments of the present invention are described below, by way ofexample only, with reference to the accompanying drawings, in which

FIGS. 1A and 1B illustrate examples of wireless communication scenariosto which embodiments of the invention may be applied;

FIG. 2 is a flow chart illustrating an example of an embodiment;

FIGS. 3 and 4 are signaling charts illustrating examples of someembodiments;

FIG. 5 illustrates a block diagram of an apparatus according to someembodiments.

DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF SOME EMBODIMENTS

The following embodiments are examples. Although the specification mayrefer to “an”, “one”, or “some” embodiment(s) in several locations, thisdoes not necessarily mean that each such reference is referring to thesame embodiment(s), or that the feature only applies to a singleembodiment. Single features of different embodiments may also becombined to provide other embodiments. Furthermore, words “comprising”and “including” should be understood as not limiting the describedembodiments to consist of only those features that have been mentionedand such embodiments may contain also features/structures that have notbeen specifically mentioned.

A general wireless communication scenario to which embodiments of theinvention may be applied is illustrated in FIG. 1A. FIG. 1A illustratesan example of wireless communication devices comprising a plurality ofaccess points (AP) 100, 102 and a plurality of wireless terminal devices(STA) 110, 112, 114, 116, 118. Each base station may be associated witha basic service set (BSS) which is a basic building block of an IEEE802.11 wireless local area network (WLAN). The most common BSS type isan infrastructure BSS that includes a single AP together with all STAsassociated with the AP. The AP may be a fixed AP or it may be a mobileAP. The APs 100, 102 may also provide access to other networks, e.g. theInternet. In another embodiment, the BSS may comprise a plurality of APsto form an extended service set (ESS). While embodiments of theinvention are described in the context of the above-described topologiesof IEEE 802.11 based networks, it should be appreciated that these orother embodiments of the invention may be applicable to networks basedon other specifications, e.g. different versions of the IEEE 802.11,WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access), UMTS LTE(Long-term Evolution for Universal Mobile Tele-communication System),and other networks having cognitive radio features, e.g. transmissionmedium sensing features and adaptiveness to coexist with radio accessnetworks based on different specifications and/or standards.

Let us consider an infrastructure BSS that includes an access pointtogether with terminal devices. The access point may be configured toutilize one or more radio channels or frequencies in communication withthe terminal devices. The access point 100, 102 is configured to informterminal devices its presence by transmitting a beacon signal or abeacon frame at predetermined intervals on each channel it uses forcommunication. The beacon frame comprises information on the accesspoint, its network, and other networks. Typically the predeterminedinterval is 100 time units (TU). The duration of one TU is 1,024 ms. Aterminal device may tune to a channel and look for beacon frames. Theprocess is denoted passive scanning. Upon finding a beacon frame theterminal device may attempt a connection with the access point bytransmitting an authentication message. After receiving anauthentication response message from the access point, the terminaldevice and the access point may exchange association messages afterwhich the terminal device is said to be associated to the access point.The association messages may comprise at least one of the followingmessages: association request, association response, reassociationrequest, and reassociation response. The association may be followed by802.1X authentication, IP address allocation and other applicationspecific setup signaling.

Another wireless communication scenario to which embodiments of theinvention may be applied is illustrated in FIG. 1B. FIG. 1B illustratesa plurality of wireless devices 120, 122, 124, 126 that form a cluster128 of devices. The cluster may comply with neighbour awarenessnetworking (NAN) principles. NAN provides a mechanism for wirelessdevices to synchronize the time and channel on which they converge tofacilitate the discovery of services that the devices may offer to otherdevices. The time period and channel on which NAN Devices converge iscalled the Discovery Window (DW). The wireless devices of a NAN clustershare a common set of NAN parameters that may comprise the time periodbetween consecutive Discovery Windows, the time duration of theDiscovery Windows, a beacon interval, and NAN Channel(s). The devices ina cluster may transmit multicast NAN Service Discovery frames directlyto other devices within range in the same cluster during the DiscoveryWindow. Devices may also communicate one to one with each other. Awireless device may belong to more than one cluster. In addition, adevice may operate concurrently in a cluster and in a different WiFinetwork such as an infrastructure BSS of FIG. 1A.

In wireless communication systems there may be situations for atransceiver when it might be useful to be able to know the distance toanother transceiver. Fine Time Measurement (FTM) is a ranging mechanismwhich has been proposed to be used in 802.11 based wireless systems.

In FTM, at least three frame pairs are required to complete the rangingprocess. First the initiating apparatus transmits a request to initiatedistance measurement. The responding apparatus acknowledges the request.Then follow the actual ranging messages between the apparatuses. Bothstations time stamp the transmission and reception times of thesemessages. The time stamps may be denoted as t1, t2, t3, and t4. Theresponding apparatus is configured to transmit at time instant t1 anFTM_(—1) message. The initiating apparatus receives the message at timeinstant t2 and transmits acknowledgement message at time instant t3. Theresponding apparatus receives the ACK transmitted by the initiatingapparatus at time instant t4.

Finally, the responding apparatus transmits an FTM_(—2) message toinform the initiating apparatus on the transmission time t1 of theFTM_(—1) message and the reception time t4 of the corresponding ACK.After this message exchange, the initiating apparatus can determinedistance to the responding apparatus.

If the wireless system comprises a large number of stations, theproposed currently specified FTM ranging solution is not optimum fromspectrum efficiency viewpoint.

FIG. 2 is a flow chart illustrating an example of an embodiment of theinvention. The flowchart illustrates the operation of an apparatus whichmay be a wireless terminal device (STA) 110, for example.

In step 200, the apparatus is configured to transmit a first frame to asecond apparatus. The second apparatus may be another wireless terminaldevice, for example.

In step 202, the apparatus is configured to receive a second frame fromthe second apparatus, as response to the first frame.

In step 204, the apparatus is configured to receive an indication of theduration between the reception time of the first frame and transmissionof the second frame.

In step 206, the apparatus is configured to receive an indicationwhether the duration is constant or variable.

In case the duration is constant, the apparatus is configured in step208 to determine the distance between the apparatus and the secondapparatus based at least partly on the indication of the duration.

The above steps may also be in different order. For example, thereception of the indication whether the duration is constant or variablemay occur before other steps. Further, the reception of the indicationof the duration between the reception time of the first frame andtransmission of the second frame may occur before transmitting the firstframe and the second frame, since the duration may be constant and notdependent on any specific transmissions of the first frame and thesecond frame.

In prior art, the assumption is that the duration between the timeinstant t2 receiving a message such as FTM_(—1) message and the timeinstance t3 transmitting corresponding ACK varies. Thus, the assumptionhas been that only the initiating apparatus can calculate distancebecause it measures and knows t2 and t3.

However, in this proposal the assumption is that the t2−t3 duration canbe constant in many cases. If an apparatus is able to respond withconstant delay and willing other stations to calculate distance to it,it may inform the constant t3−t2 duration to other apparatuses. Theconstant t3−t2 duration can be included in the ACK frame or it may beincluded in some earlier message, for example. Such an earlier messagemay be a beacon, probe response, association response in infrastructuremode, for example. In non-infrastructure mode, other control,management, or data frames may disclose such an earlier message. If theapparatus is not able or willing to use constant delay, it may informthis shall inform that in the same message.

In an embodiment, the t3−t2 duration is determined to be constant if thevariation of the duration is below a predetermined margin. For example,duration may be considered constant if it is a certain value +/−somemargin, e.g. +/−1%, 5%, 10% or 20%, as an example.

In an embodiment, the t3−t2 duration may be variable, as discussedabove. In an embodiment, the duration may be variable due to processingload or other non-intentional reason. In an embodiment, the duration maybe variable to make it difficult for other devices to determine distanceto the second apparatus 112. In such case, the t3−t2 duration may berandomized.

In an embodiment, it is possible to determine distance to anotherapparatus (having constant t2−t3) with single frame pair exchange(FTM-ACK).

Further, this enables passive stations (not participating to frameexchanges) to determine distances to at least one of the participatingapparatus (having constant t2−t3).

FIG. 3 is a signalling chart illustrating an example of an embodiment.The figure illustrates exchange of frames between two wirelessapparatuses. In this example, the apparatuses are wireless stations 110,112. The apparatuses may as well be devices of a NAN cluster.

The apparatus 110 may be denoted as first apparatus and the apparatus112 as second apparatus.

The first apparatus 110 transmits a first frame 300 to a secondapparatus 112. The first apparatus 110 stamps the time instant t1 of thetransmission. The second apparatus may be another wireless terminaldevice, for example. The second apparatus 112 receives the first frameat time instant t2.

At time instant t3, the second apparatus transmits a second frame 302 tothe first apparatus as response to the first frame. The second frame maybe an acknowledgement frame. The second apparatus receives the secondframe and the apparatus stamps the time instant t4 of the reception.

The first apparatus knows the time instants t1 and t4. In an embodiment,the second apparatus has indicated that duration t3−t2 is constant. Itmay have indicated the value of the duration t3−t2 to other apparatuses.

Thus, the first apparatus may compute the flight time over-the air ofmessages 300, 302 as RTT=(t4−t1)−(t3−t2). The distance between theapparatuses may be determined from RTT/2*c where c is the speed oflight.

In an embodiment, the second apparatus 112 has signalled 306 theconstant value of the duration t3−t2 to the first apparatus 110 (andpossibly other apparatuses as well). In an embodiment, the firstapparatus requested 304 the information from the second apparatus. Thisexchange of messages may be performed prior to the messages 300, 302.

In an embodiment, the second apparatus may apply a time varying t3−t2duration. The total duration t3−t2 may comprise a constant part and avarying part. The second apparatus may include the varying part to theduration when it is desired that only a given recipient may determinethe distance to the apparatus. The varying part may be an additionalrandom delay. The second apparatus may have published the constant partof the t3−t2 delay but transmits information about the random delay onlyto the desired recipient.

The second apparatus may inform the first apparatus (and otherapparatuses) the duration t3−t2 in various ways.

In an embodiment, the apparatus may indicate the duration between timest2 and t3 in a broadcast or unicast frame. The apparatus may provide theconstant duration and the time varying or random information. Thisinformation may be provided to all wireless apparatuses (STAs) inproximity. The STAs in proximity may use the duration to range thedistance from the measured STA to the passively ranging device.

In infrastructure mode, the AP may indicate its duration between T2 andT3 times in Association Response, Probe Response or in Beacon frame.

In an embodiment, second apparatus may add a field to theAcknowledgement message 306 to indicate that the t3−t2 delay is ShortInterframe Space (SIFS) duration within a predefined granularity (+/−50picoseconds). Alternatively the field may contain an unsigned integerthat indicates the t3−t2 preciseness in units of +/−5 picoseconds. Theoverhearing devices that are performing passive FTM can use thisinformation to estimate its distance between ranged devices and thepreciseness of the estimation.

In an embodiment, a t3−t2 Duration field may be a signed integer thatcontains the difference of the t3−t2 duration to the SIFS duration inpicoseconds. In an embodiment, a Variation t3−t2 Duration fieldindicates the variation of the t3−t2 time in an unsigned integer inunits of pico seconds.

If the second apparatus adds a random delay to the t3−t2 interval, theapparatus may indicate the random delay in ACK frame 306.

In an embodiment, the apparatuses that are not able to know or areunwilling to reveal their t3−t2 delay at the time of the frametransmission may indicate that they have a random t3−t2 delay. Thisindication may help the receiving apparatuses to avoid the FTMmeasurement of such frames.

In an embodiment, the signalled information may contain an uniformresource locator URL or IP address through which the duration betweentimes t3−t2 may be obtained. The information may consider thetemperature, device type and other related parameters to provide themost accurate estimation of duration between t3−t2

As mentioned, also those wireless apparatuses not participating in theframe exchange may obtain location information on the basis of thesuggested procedure. FIG. 4 illustrates this example. An apparatus 114may for example overhear the message 300 transmitted by first apparatus110 and the ACK transmission 302 by second apparatus 112. This apparatus114 may be denoted as a Passive FTM STA. The passive FTM STA may obtainthe time of arrival t2′ of the frame 300′ and the time of arrival t4′ ofthe ACK frame 302′ to its location. It may be noted that the t2 and t2′as well as t4 and t4′ have different values depending on the positionsof the second apparatus and Passive FTM STA.

In an embodiment, the message 300 may be an FTM message. In anotherembodiment, the message 300 may be any message that needs to beacknowledged by the message 302.

As FIG. 4 shows, t2′ indicates the time when Passive FTM STA receivesthe frame 300′ transmitted by the first apparatus. The t4′ is the timewhen the Passive FTM STA 114 receives the frame 302′ from secondapparatus. If the Passive FTM STA obtains both values t2′ and t4′, itmay calculate a distance ((t4′−t2′)−(t3−t2))*c. The STA 114 maycalculate roughly estimate for differential distance D which is thedifference in STA 114's distance to STA 110 and STA 112. If at adifferent time instant STA 114 receives distance determination relatedsignalling between STA 110 and some other apparatus and between STA 112and the other apparatus, TSA 114 may apply hyperbolic navigation methods(for example) to calculate absolute distances between STA 114 and theother apparatuses.

FIG. 5 illustrates an embodiment of an apparatus comprising means forcarrying out the above-mentioned functionalities. In an embodiment, theapparatus is an access point or a part of an access point. The apparatusmay be a wireless device which complies with specifications of an IEEE802.11 network or another wireless network. The wireless apparatus mayalso be a cognitive radio apparatus capable of adapting its operation toa changing radio environment, e.g. to changes in parameters of anothersystem on the same frequency band. The wireless apparatus may be or maybe comprised in a computer (PC), a laptop, a tablet computer, a cellularphone, a palm computer, a base station with routing functionalities, orany other apparatus provided with radio communication capability. In anembodiment, the apparatus carrying out the above-describedfunctionalities of the access point is comprised in such a wirelessdevice, e.g. the apparatus may comprise a circuitry, e.g. a chip, aprocessor, a micro controller, or a combination of such circuitries inthe wireless device.

Referring to FIG. 5, the apparatus may comprise a communicationcontroller circuitry 500 configured to control wireless communicationsin the wireless device. The communication controller circuitry 500 maycomprise a control part 502 handling control signalling communicationwith respect to transmission, reception, and extraction of control ormanagement frames including the beacon frames, fast initial link setupframes, measurement pilot frames, and probe response messages, forexample. The communication controller circuitry 500 may further comprisea data part 504 that handles transmission and reception of payload dataduring transmission opportunities of the wireless device (transmission)or transmission opportunities of other wireless devices (reception).

The communication controller circuitry 500 may further comprise alocationing part 506 configured to control operations related tolocationing messages and determining distances to nearby apparatuses onthe basis of messages. In an embodiment, the control part 502 forwardsinformation related to locationing messages to the locationing part 506.The locationing part may be responsible for maintaining information ont3−t2 delays of nearby apparatuses that the apparatuses have indicatedto be constant.

In an embodiment, the communication channel utilized by the apparatus isa wireless local area network channel. In an embodiment, thecommunication channel is defined by a center frequency and a channelwidth. In an embodiment, the communication channel has a 20 Mhz channelwidth. In an embodiment, the communication channel is a primary channelaccording to IEEE 802.11 specs, e.g. IEEE 802.11-2012.

If the apparatus is an access point, the apparatus may further comprisea communication part 508 configured to communicate 510 with othernetwork elements such as other access points, network controllers andnetworks.

The circuitries 502 to 506 of the communication controller circuitry 500may be carried out by the one or more physical circuitries orprocessors. In practice, the different circuitries may be realized bydifferent computer program modules. Depending on the specifications andthe design of the apparatus, the apparatus may comprise some of thecircuitries 502 to 506 or all of them.

The apparatus may further comprise the memory 512 that stores computerprograms (software) configuring the apparatus to perform theabove-described functionalities of the access point. The memory 512 mayalso store communication parameters and other information needed for thewireless communications within a wireless network of the access pointand with other wireless networks.

The apparatus may further comprise radio interface components 514providing the apparatus with radio communication capabilities within itswireless network and/or with other wireless networks. The radiointerface components 514 may comprise standard well-known componentssuch as an amplifier, filter, frequency-converter, (de)modulator, andencoder/decoder circuitries and one or more antennas. The apparatus mayfurther comprise a user interface enabling interaction with the user ofthe communication device. The user interface may comprise a display, akeypad or a keyboard, a loudspeaker, etc.

As used in this application, the term ‘circuitry’ refers to all of thefollowing: (a) hardware-only circuit implementations, such asimplementations in only analogue and/or digital circuitry, and (b) tocombinations of circuits and software (and/or firmware), such as (asapplicable): (i) a combination of processor(s) or (ii) portions ofprocessor(s)/software including digital signal processor(s), software,and memory(ies) that work together to cause an apparatus to performvarious functions, and (c) to circuits, such as a microprocessor(s) or aportion of a microprocessor(s), that require software or firmware foroperation, even if the software or firmware is not physically present.This definition of ‘circuitry’ applies to all uses of this term in thisapplication. As a further example, as used in this application, the term“circuitry” would also cover an implementation of merely a processor (ormultiple processors) or portion of a processor and its (or their)accompanying software and/or firmware. The term “circuitry” would alsocover, for example and if applicable to the particular element, abaseband integrated circuit or applications processor integrated circuitfor a wireless device.

The processes or methods described in FIGS. 2 to 4 may also be carriedout in the form of a computer process defined by a computer program. Thecomputer program may be in source code form, object code form, or insome intermediate form, and it may be stored in a transitory or anon-transitory carrier, which may be any entity or device capable ofcarrying the program. Such carriers include a record medium, computermemory, read-only memory, electrical carrier signal, telecommunicationssignal, and software distribution package, for example. Depending on theprocessing power needed, the computer program may be executed in asingle electronic digital processing unit or it may be distributedamongst a number of processing units.

The present invention is applicable to wireless networks defined abovebut also to other suitable wireless communication systems. The protocolsused, the specifications of wireless networks, their network elementsand terminals, develop rapidly. Such development may require extrachanges to the described embodiments. Therefore, all words andexpressions should be interpreted broadly and they are intended toillustrate, not to restrict, the embodiment. It will be obvious to aperson skilled in the art that, as technology advances, the inventiveconcept can be implemented in various ways. The invention and itsembodiments are not limited to the examples described above but may varywithin the scope of the claims.

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 21. A method in a first apparatus, comprising:transmitting a first frame to a second apparatus; receiving a secondframe from the second apparatus, as response to the first frame;receiving an indication of the duration between the reception time ofthe first frame and transmission of the second frame; receiving anindication whether the duration is constant or variable; and in case theduration is constant, determining the distance between the firstapparatus and the second apparatus based at least partly on theindication of the duration.
 22. The method of claim 21, furthercomprising: deciding not to determine the distance between the firstapparatus and the second apparatus, in case the duration is variable.23. The method of claim 21, further comprising: determining the distancebetween the first apparatus and the second apparatus based at leastpartly on the transmission time of the first frame and the receptiontime of the second frame.
 24. The method of claim 21, wherein theindication of the duration and the indication whether the duration isconstant or variable is received in the second frame or in an thirdframe.
 25. The method of claim 24, wherein the third frame is at leastone of a beacon, a probe response, and an association response.
 26. Themethod of claim 24, wherein the third frame is received prior to thetransmission of the first frame.
 27. The method of claim 21, wherein thesecond frame is an acknowledgement frame.
 28. The method of claim 21,further comprising: receiving from the second apparatus priortransmitting the first frame a request to transmit the first frame. 29.The method of claim 21, further comprising: determining the distancebetween the first apparatus and the second apparatus if the variation ofthe duration is below a predetermined margin.
 30. A method in anapparatus, comprising: receiving a first frame from a first apparatus;receiving a second frame from the second apparatus, as response to thefirst frame; receiving an indication of the duration between thereception time of the first frame and transmission of the second frame;receiving an indication whether the duration is constant or variable;and in case the duration is constant, determining the a parameterrelated to the distance between the apparatus and first apparatus andthe second apparatus based at least partly on the indication of theduration.
 31. An apparatus comprising at least one processor and atleast one memory including computer program code, the at least onememory and the computer program code configured to, with the at leastone processor, cause the apparatus at least to: transmit a first frameto a second apparatus; receive a second frame from the second apparatus,as response to the first frame; receive an indication of the durationbetween the reception time of the first frame and transmission of thesecond frame; receive an indication whether the duration is constant orvariable; and in case the duration is constant, determine the distancebetween the apparatus and the second apparatus based at least partly onthe indication of the duration.
 32. The apparatus of claim 31, the atleast one memory and the computer program code, with the at least oneprocessor, further configured to: decide not to determine the distancebetween the first apparatus and the second apparatus, in case theduration is variable.
 33. The apparatus of claim 31, the at least onememory and the computer program code, with the at least one processor,further configured to: determine the distance between the firstapparatus and the second apparatus based at least partly on thetransmission time of the first frame and the reception time of thesecond frame.
 34. The apparatus of claim 31, wherein the indication ofthe duration and the indication whether the duration is constant orvariable is received in the second frame or in an third frame.
 35. Theapparatus of claim 34, wherein the third frame is at least one of abeacon, a probe response, and an association response.
 36. The apparatusof claim 34, wherein the third frame is received prior to thetransmission of the first frame.
 37. The apparatus of claim 31, whereinthe second frame is an acknowledgement frame.
 38. The apparatus of claim31, the at least one memory and the computer program code, with the atleast one processor, further configured to: receive from the secondapparatus prior transmitting the first frame a request to transmit thefirst frame.
 39. The apparatus of claim 31, the at least one memory andthe computer program code, with the at least one processor, furtherconfigured to: determine the distance between the first apparatus andthe second apparatus if the variation of the duration is below apredetermined margin.
 40. An apparatus comprising at least one processorand at least one memory including computer program code, the at leastone memory and the computer program code configured to, with the atleast one processor, cause the apparatus at least to: receive a firstframe from a first apparatus; receive a second frame from the secondapparatus, as response to the first frame; receive an indication of theduration between the reception time of the first frame and transmissionof the second frame; receive an indication whether the duration isconstant or variable; and in case the duration is constant, determinethe a parameter related to the distance between the apparatus and firstapparatus and the second apparatus based at least partly on theindication of the duration.